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What do Mormons Believe?

The following is a collection of several key differences between Mormonism and Christianity. In most places, the differences are exclusive; the points being made can’t both be true.


The Authority of the Bible

Mormon – The Bible is God’s Word.. but only insofar as it has been translated correctly.

(8th Article of Faith of the Mormon Church) “We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly…”

—versus—

Christian – The Bible is God’s Inerrant Word

The inspired inerrant word of God. It is authoritative in all subjects it addresses.

(2 Timothy 3:16) “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

Establishing the Authority of Scriptures

If Joseph Smith’s vision is right, there was no valid Christianity on the earth for hundreds of years. When did it disappear? 1st century. When did it reappear? 19th century. This means Christ and the Apostles failed in their efforts to establish a meaningful church. Their work unraveled into apostasy soon after the physical deaths of the Apostles and not even God could preserve His Word for earnest seekers until Joseph Smith resurrected and delivered it properly in the 1800’s.

Mormonism is pinned on four revelations:

  • The Book of Mormon
  • Doctrine and Covenants
  • Pearl of Great Price
  • KJV Bible (insofar as it is correctly translated)

To establish Scriptural authority, ask the following:

  • Oh, you read Greek and Hebrew?
  • How do you know it’s incorrectly translated?
  • Did the same God inspire all four books?
  • Are they all of equal validity?
  • Does God ever lie?
  • Can God be relied upon at all times?
  • Which is the oldest of these four texts? [Answer: Bible, which spans a period of over 5000 years.]
  • Don’t you think it’s proper to judge the younger revelations by the oldest revelation, because God who cannot lie, will tell us the straight story from the very beginning? And if the other books don’t agree with the oldest book, well then obviously something must be wrong with the younger books, right? (Martin, W.)

The Nature of God: One God of Many?

Mormon – There are many gods.

(Pearl of Great Price, Book of Abraham 4:3-) “And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light…”

According to Mormon theology, all people represent the embryonic status of their own godhood. In a forum article, “Do Mormon Believe in Many Gods?”, the answer is given:

“Mormons believe that every human being is a God in “embryo” form, or childlike form. Just as a boy becomes a man or a girl becomes a woman, we believe men and women become Gods and Goddesses. We believe the purpose of this life is to move us along that path, and that this life is one of multiple steps in that direction. Of course if this is what we believe, then yes, we believe there are multiple Gods. In fact, there must be billions, trillions, or even more Gods.”

Additionally, when asked about the hierarchy of these gods, it is the Mormon belief that all these gods are equal in power and authority. Otherwise, a holier god could come along and usurp the authority of any lesser god resulting in utter chaos! So why do Mormons still say they only worship one god? They employ word-play at this point.

“To sum up, Mormons believe there are many Gods, but only believe in one God. Or to put it another way, Mormons know there are many Gods, but only know one God.”

—versus—

Christian – There is only one God.

(Isaiah 43:11) “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”

(Isaiah 44:6) “Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”

(Isaiah 44:8-9) “Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.”

(Isaiah 45:5-7) “I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”

The Nature of God: Was God a Man?

Mormon – God is a created being and was once a man.

God an Exalted Man

(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.345) I will go back to the beginning before the world was, to show what kind of being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth, for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why He interferes with the affairs of man.

God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by his power, was to make himself visible,—I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form—like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with him, as one man talks and communes with another.

In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how he came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see.

These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible.

—versus—

Christian – God has always been God.

(Psalm 90:2) “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.”

(Isaiah 57:15) “For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.”

The Nature of God: Does God Have a Body?

Mormon – God has a flesh and bone body like ours.

(Doctrine and Covenants 130:22, Compare with Alma 18:26-27, 22:9-10) “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.”

(Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p.41) ”Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body, infinitely pure and perfect, and attended by transcendent glory, yet a body of flesh and bone.”

—versus—

Christian – God is a spirit without flesh and bones.

(John 4:24) “God is spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth.”

[Note: Joseph Smith translated this passage to read, “For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth.” (JST, John 4:26.)]

(Luke 24:39) “Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.”

(Romans 1:21-23) “Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.”

The Nature of God: Additional Comments

God Does Not Change

(Malachi 3:6) “For I am the LORD, I change not;”

(James 1:17) “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.”

(Numbers 23:19) “God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?”

We Are Called to Seek God’s Face

The first commandment given to Moses for the Israelites is found in Exodus 20:2-3, “I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me.” We must seek the one true God.


The Nature of the Trinity

Mormon – Three separate gods: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

(Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p.38-39) “The Godhead: The Trinity:–Three personages composing the great presiding council of the universe have revealed themselves to man; (1) God the Eternal Father, (2) His Son, Jesus Christ; and (3) the Holy Ghost. That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is very plainly proved by the accepted records of the divine dealings with man. […] Joseph Smith, while calling upon the Lord in fervent prayer for wisdom to guide him in his religious professions, saw the Father and the Son, standing in the midst of light which shamed the brightness of the sun, one of these declared to the other, “This is my beloved Son, hear Him.” Each of the members of the Trinity is called God, together they constitute the Godhead.”

—versus—

Christian – One God, three personages: Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

The Trinity is the doctrine that there is only one God in all the universe and that He exists in three eternal, simultaneous persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.


The Nature of Jesus: Jesus’ Conception

Mormon – God had sex with Mary.

(Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p.115) “The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood–was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers…”

(Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p.547) “Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers…”

—versus—

Christian – Jesus was born of the virgin Mary.

(Isaiah 7:14) “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”

(Matthew 1:23) “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

(Luke 1:34-35) “Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

“And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”

The Nature of Jesus: Who is Jesus?

Mormon – Jesus is Lucifer’s brother.

(Gospel Through the Ages, p.15) Jesus is the literal spirit-brother of Lucifer, a creation.

Because Jesus is a created being like the angels and like humanity, he is our spirit-brother.

(Gospel Doctrine, Joseph F. Smith, p.70) “Among the spirit children of Elohim, the firstborn was and is Jehovah, or Jesus Christ, to whom all others are juniors.”

—versus—

Christian – Jesus is God.

Jesus is the eternal Son. He is second person of the Trinity. He has two natures: He is God in flesh, and the creator of all things.

(John 1:1, 14) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. […] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

(Colossians 2:9) “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”

(Colossians 1:14-18) “In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”

The Nature of Jesus: Additional Comments

False Christs

(Matthew 24:5-8) “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Jesus was a Polygamist?

Mormon apostle, Orson Pratt—in the November 1853 edition of the Mormon publication, The Seer—asserts Jesus married Mary and Martha and others.


The Nature of Salvation

Mormon – Salvation earned through works.

Salvation has a double meaning in Mormonism.

(Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p.78-79) “The first effect [of the atonement] is to secure to all mankind alike, exemption from the penalty of the fall, thus providing a plan of General Salvation. The second effect is to open a way for Individual Salvation whereby mankind may secure remission of personal sins…”

“As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements–‘obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel,'”

(Doctrines and Covenants 137:7–9) “For I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts.”

—versus—

Christian – Salvation cannot be earned.

Good works are an outgrowth and testimony of regeneration in Christ; not the pass by which we achieve salvation. Salvation is the forgiveness of sin and deliverance of the sinner from damnation. It is a free gift received by God’s grace through acceptance of Jesus Christ and cannot be earned.

(Romans 11:6) “And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.”

(Romans 6:23) “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

(Ephesians 2:8) “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”

(Romans 4:5) “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

(Galatians 2:21) “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

Jesus says in John 8:24, “Unless you believe that I Am, you shall die in your sins.” Jesus assures us we are to rest in Him and Him alone. No additional revelation required.

(Acts 16:31) “Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved…”

(1 Corinthians 15:3) “For I delivered to you as first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures.”

(Ephesians 1:7) “In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace.”

(1 Peter 2:24) “He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.”

(Colossians 2:13) “He forgave us all our sins.”

We are not saved through works. How can anything we ever do be good enough before a Holy God?

(Isaiah 64:6) But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.


Final Comments

We Are to Accept No Other Gospel

(2 Timothy 4:4) “And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”

(Galatians 1:6-9) “I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!”

The Joseph Smith Translation (JST) boasts over 3,000 additions, subtractions and changes to the King James Bible.

“Joseph Smith, the first prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, made a “new translation” of the Bible, using the text of the King James Version (KJV). This work differs from the KJV in at least 3,410 verses and consists of additions, deletions, rearrangements, and other alterations that cause it to vary not only from the KJV but from other biblical texts. Changes range from minor details to fully reconstituted chapters.” (Matthews, 1992.)

Discerning False Prophets

(Deuteronomy 13:1-5) “If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

(Deuteronomy 18:21-22) And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Mormon Division Doesn’t Add Up

In Mormon teaching, the primary catalyst that spurned Joseph Smith to seek the truth about God and the afterlife was his dissatisfaction with the confusion and strife between Christian doctrine. Today, the Mormon church suffers from this same fragmentation. The “one true church” currently enjoys over 100 different sects, all of whom claim they are the “one true church.” That’s a lot of fracturing in just 200 years from a church boasting a steady stream of God-sent “prophets”.

The Stakes Are Different

If the Mormon is right, their works-based religion allows nearly anyone into a level of heaven, so long as they keep doing good works; regardless of whether you’re Christian, Jehovah Witness, Unitarian, etc. On the other hand, if the Christians are right, the Mormon church isn’t even worshiping the right Jesus and has fallen prey to false doctrine which could lead many to hell.

(Matthew 7:13-15) “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”

(Romans 1:17-23)

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.

What if Joseph Smith was wrong?

If you are beginning to question your Mormon beliefs, please understand you do not have to lose your faith in God, but you do need to get clear on who God is and who He is not. The disillusionment felt by Mormons as they begin to emerge from the Mormon church can be devastating, especially as they begin to lose the support of their Mormon friends, family and church. As a sad testimony to the gulf that separates Mormonism from Christianity, know this abandonment is definitely not a Christian response!

If you are earnestly seeking God’s truth, humble yourself before His cross and—for a brief moment—step outside your Mormon vows, priesthood, and doctrine. Stand before Him as a simple man or woman searching for His truth and pray this heart-felt prayer:

Lord Jesus,
Open the eyes and ears of my soul and my mind
so I may hear your voice, and
explain this to me, teach me, save me
so I may serve you the way I ought to.

God’s Word can be relied upon completely. When it comes down to deciding between Joseph Smith and Jesus Christ, please believe Jesus Christ. So much of your life may be tied up in Mormonism, including your loved ones. Jesus says, “For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?” (Matthew 16:26)

I pray that you will be humble enough and courageous enough to seek God’s Truth for us as it’s been preserved in Scripture.

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Matt Schoenherr


References

Allred, Alma. The Bible and the Book of Mormon.

The Bible and the Book of Mormon

Ankerberg, John. Weldon, John. 1991. The Facts on the Mormon Church. Harvest House Publishers.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. 1981. The Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ. http://media.ldscdn.org/pdf/lds-scriptures/book-of-mormon/book-of-mormon-34406-eng.pdf

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. 1981. The Doctrines and Covenants of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. http://media.ldscdn.org/pdf/lds-scriptures/doctrine-and-covenants/doctrine-and-covenants-eng.pdf

Do non-mormons go to hell. LDS.net.
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Johnson, Eric. The Inspired Version: Why isn’t it officially used today? Mormon Research Ministry. http://www.mrm.org/smith-inspired-version

Koukl, Greg. Mar 22, 2013. Must We Believe Jesus Is God? Stand to Reason. http://www.str.org/articles/must-we-believe-jesus-is-god

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Martin, Walter. 2003 Kingdom of the Cults. https://waltermartin.com/mormon.html

Martin, Walter. YouTube. Dr. Walter Martin – The Lying Prophets and the Word of the Lord. https://youtu.be/YGiVWDCxulM

Martin, Walter. YouTube. Who Really Wrote The Book Of Mormon?- Dr. Walter Martin. https://youtu.be/ahS_bbaVXBQ

Martin, Walter. Decker, Ed. YouTube. Dialogue on the Doorstep with a Mormon – Walter Martin vs. Ed Decker.

Moore, Russell. September 11, 2012. How Christians Should Engage Latter-day Saints. http://www.russellmoore.com/2012/09/11/how-christians-should-engage-latter-day-saints/

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Walsh, W. John. Do only Mormons go to Heaven?
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Ground Rules for Engaging Mormon Missionaries

As I prepared to engage my first Mormon missionaries, my research uncovered that many Mormons have been trained to run at the first whiff of debate. I felt if I was to keep these girls around long enough to speak into them, I needed to create a safe space for our discussion. I approached our discussion with many questions (which was easy since the Mormon marketing and missionary machine is truly a marvel) and the following points as my foundation:

We are Sincere Witnesses

It is in the spirit of witnessing to our perspective truths in the effort to persuade the other of our theologies that we engage in this conversation.

We are not just sharing our theological perspectives. As missionaries, we admit to the desire and hope to help move one another’s internal ‘needle’ toward a more inspired and correct understanding of God by sharing what we believe and why we believe it.

Seeking Spiritual Truth

During the course of a loving and open dialogue, we may not be completely versed in all facets of our faith. When those moments occur, we feel safe enough to admit our uncertainty.

A Loving and Safe Space for Dialogue

If anyone gets upset or angry and the conversation is cut short as a result, everyone loses.

(Interreligious discussions can often carry the added pressure to save the soul of the other. We must remember it is not our job to convert anyone; that is the work of the Holy Spirit. Our job is simply to get the other side to think!)

Against Relativism and Pluralism

We hold what we believe are truths; however, we recognize our truths differ. If we believe in God’s absolute domain, we recognize the presence of moral absolute and universal law, as set forth by our Creator. In comparing our own understanding of God’s teaching, we agree

  • One of us can be right, or
  • We can both be wrong, but
  • We can’t both be right.

Points for the Christian to Avoid

  • Don’t argue peripheral points, such as polygamy; you’ll spend too much time in the weeds.
  • While it certainly merits mentioning, don’t spend too much time attacking Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. Though failed prophecies, errant Egyptian translations, racism, poor character judgments and a myriad of other Mormon pitfalls salt this path, the argument is against the system, not the people. Our warfare is not against flesh and blood.

Points for the Christian to Address

According to a 2012 LDS survey taken to analyze why Mormons defect, here are the top five reasons Mormons leave the LDS church:

  • I ceased to believe the LDS doctrine/theology
  • I studied Mormon church history and lost my belief
  • I lost faith in Joseph Smith
  • I lost faith in the Book of Mormon
  • I lost confidence in the general authorities of the Mormon church

Obviously, then, these would be the places to start when beginning a discussion around the validity of Mormonism.

The survey, PowerPoint presentation and video by Mormon John Dehlin (indeed, the whole website, whymormonsquestion.org) was taken down somewhere in Spring of 2016. Last capture by Archive.org was April 24, 2016. Over 3,000 respondents were surveyed through liberal and former-LDS websites, forums, blogs and podcasts. During the survey, one respondent said:

“As I studied Church history and uncovered many controversial historical evidence, I would frequent LDS apologetic sites for answers (e.g. FARMS (now the Maxwell Institute), Shields, FAIR).  I soon discovered those sites rarely dealt with the controversial evidences but rather often skirted or obfuscated the issue and frequently resorted to personal attacks on the individuals who were publishing historical information.”

I’ll do a deeper write-up on the survey findings in a future post as I believe the information is useful to both Mormons and Christians alike.


References

Quora. Why do so many ex-Mormons end up as atheist, agnostic, or humanist (non theist)? https://www.quora.com/Why-do-so-many-ex-Mormons-end-up-as-atheist-agnostic-or-humanist-non-theist

Dehlin, John. Why Mormons Question. https://web.archive.org/web/20160414063938/http://www.whymormonsquestion.org/

Mormon Missionaries at My Door

One hot evening in May 2016, I was putting away the lawnmower in our garage as I noticed two young ladies standing on our front porch. My wife and oldest son were pointing them over to me saying, “He’s the one you want to talk to.”

They came over and introduced themselves as sisters of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. As we stood in the driveway, we engaged in very agreeable conversation about the Trinity, whereby they explained they believed in three separate persons—Father, Son and Holy Spirit—and I countered with a brief explanation that it’s one God in the Trinity; Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

When it became apparent we weren’t quite speaking the same language (though it sounded very similar,) I went to my car to bring them a Greg Koukl CD on the Trinity. I figured Greg could do a better job of explaining things than I was doing. The sisters immediately rejected it, saying while they were on their mission, they were not allowed to listen to any media, watch any media.. nothing. But they were allowed to have conversations with people.

By then my amused wife had come out to remind me it was bedtime for our kids. The missionaries and I set up another time to talk. I suggested exactly one week later, which I knew would give me more time to get clear on the Mormon position. The good sisters agreed and the date was set. As they left, they thanked me for “being so cool.” Apparently, they had been run off before by un-Christ-like Christians who hurled insults, calling them agents of the devil.

As I began to study Mormonism, one thing became clear. This was not Christianity. It sounded like Christianity and walked like Christianity, but it brought twists and contortions to God’s Word that plainly don’t exist when one spends time in textual analysis of the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic.

Through study, it also became apparent many missionaries run at first signs of conflict or Christian resolve. This was something I did not want. To quote a spiritual mentor of mine, “No contact, no impact.” Someone had cautioned me against letting them into my home, but as I discovered, this is caution for those Christians who are relatively new to their faith. While I was only about 7 months old from my born-again commitment, I was steeping myself in the works of Greg Bahnsen and Greg Koukl.

Over the next four weeks, the sisters and I met once a week. Their next visit, they brought another, older couple. The husband represented a member of the Mormon priesthood. As we sat in my home office, I sat on the hearth, deliberately and symbolically positioning myself between them and the inferno. By the end of that meeting, we had established introduced the concepts of Joseph’s failed prophecies and the notion that the apostasy meant Jesus and the Apostles failed to establish a meaningful church.

The third meeting messed me up. Just the three women this time, they took 20 minutes to show me a DVD on the origins of Mormonism, told “Little House on the Prairie” style. I wasn’t prepared for this and—though I agreed to watch the video to gain a deeper understanding into the marketing machine that is Mormonism—we parted ways that night with heaviness on both sides. One of the sisters was coming to the end of her mission and would be going back home to Arizona that next week. “Well, I suppose I’ll at least be able to see you in heaven after this life,” she said.

The stakes are different for we Christians, however. For me, I felt a sense of urgency to meet one last time; to speak into these girls and witness to them as best I could. In my own mind, I had not witnessed well this meeting. That night, I wept as I prayed for the four Mormons. Of the sisters, I knew their parents had to be wildly proud of them; I know I would be if they were my daughters.

For our last meeting, I had resolved to become more aggressive. This time, it was just the two sisters who appeared at the door. As the song goes, “by the blood of the Lamb and the words of our testimony,” I poured into them as best I could my own journey from Catholicism to agnostic to regenerate born-again. Through 15 pages of notes, I did my best to respectfully bring them back to the authority of the Bible, the nature of God and Jesus, and the differences between our notion of heaven and hell. Still, it wasn’t enough time.

As we parted, I let them know this would be the last meeting for a while. All the research and preparation was taking a toll on the rest of my work. They understood and we shook hands. We have kept in touch and I will continue to point them toward the truth of Jesus Christ and God’s Word. This blog post and the posts to follow are a part of that effort.

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Dream: End of Days

Dream log, April 13, 2002, Lansing, MI.

It is early evening and I am somewhere tropical.. beach resort.. blue skies dissolving into a setting sun, powdery sands, smell the salty sea air.. watching people splash around in a meat-market mentality, scoping each other out, picking each other up, laughing, eating, drinking, lounging in and around the pool. I was bored by it. Found myself walking past it all, alone, towards the pier. Suddenly, someone shouts and points to the sky. The firmament changes from blue to a beige and two halves of sky come together to become one. The two halves are rimmed, like the trim on a bed-sheet, and those edges are colored by three stripes; a bright crimson red on the outer edges, white in the center, and lastly midnight blue. As the sheets of sky collide, the stripes mixed with the fluidity of paint and become one set; red, white and blue. As they begin to mix slightly, a greater disturbance rippled across the stripe, like raindrops hitting a puddle, and for a brief second one can see the silhouettes of men on horseback galloping through the sky. (The stippling of the stripes had been caused by the hooves.)

The silhouettes disappeared again, though the air still rippled with their presence as they came closer. By now, the crowd was screaming in panic, fleeing here and there. I knew there was no escaping power like this, so I found a place to hole up and wait. I remembered the Book of Revelations, and though it wasn’t as I imagined; I recognized the horsemen and their intent. I felt a sense of déjà vu as I walked on the pier and found a square cut out of the wooden planks (about 4′ x 4′), right before a step up which led further down the pier. There was a ladder that led into the water below.

Whatever possessed me to lay myself across that weird doorway into the sea, I have no idea, but I suspended myself across it, t-boning myself with my arms and feet holding me up and with the water supporting my back. As the mayhem continued and people ran around me, I completed the illusion of being crucified by placing one bare foot on top of the other and then I closed my eyes, relaxed my body and prepared to stay there for a long, long time.

At one point, a presence stood over me, I know.. I saw it in my mind’s eye (third-person now, standing behind me on the shore).. the air curving around a tall, transparent warrior, easily 10-12 feet tall.. the massive sword with a blade shaped like a diamond or a long, thin kite, also transparent but visible. I did not look up, I did not open my eyes, I did not say a word. The presence finally left to assist in the slaughter, leaving me as I was.

As the horsemen worked their way inland, the screams began to become more distant and silence ebbed in with the tide. In my mind’s eye, I saw the landscape, the tropical paradise it once was, with its tiki torches, thatch-roofed bars, crystal-clear pools and swank hotels, now polluted with corpses and the gore of the slaughtered. Still, I did not open my eyes nor climb up from my place.

Instead I slept, and awoke in a house after what seemed to be 30 years of slumber. As I emerged from one of the bedrooms in that dimly lit home, a man of early fifties (possibly early fifties) walked past. He smiled and said something. It might have been ‘so you finally decided to join us’ or something of the like, I don’t recall exactly. He was dressed in olive drab, almost as if he was a soldier, but there were no identifying marks on his uniform, no medals, no patches, no embroidery of any kind. He wore black wing-tips instead of combat boots. He was white-haired (one to two inches long and standing straight out), well-built, barrel-chested, and stronger and more vital with life than most men half his age. (This was definitely not my grandfather, however.) I had a feeling people referred to him as “The General”. There was a glow about him that was nothing you saw, but something you felt.

He was on a mission to grab some extra silverware or some other dining effect and led me back into the living room, where a large table had been set up with candles and a (Christmas?) feast. The TV was on and some of the 20 to 30 people in that room looked at me as I entered, some watched the TV, but all were standing with their hands clasped and singing the popular New Years song, Auld Lang Syne:

Should auld acquaintance be forgot
and never brought to mind?

Should auld acquaintance be forgot
and days of auld lang syne?

For auld lang syne, my dear,
for auld lang syne,

We’ll take a cup of kindness yet,
for auld lang syne

I met some of their glances and then hurried out of the room, finally realizing that I had been spared. I ran into one of the side bedrooms, fell to one knee and began praying. A woman came in to check on me and tell me that they all came to be there in the same way. She said that there was a list of names on the Internet where I would go and look for the name of my wife, to see if she had survived, same as I. (Note: I was not married at the time of this dream.)


I awoke, astonished, with a deep sense of, “What just happened there?” As I relived the dream and tried to crystallize the details, I remembered that I had, just this week, given a speech on abortion. I was overwhelmed by the dream, and to my surprise, I cried. I cried because I had been spared in the dream (relief) and I cried because we are killing ourselves and when destruction comes, we will have no one to blame but ourselves (guilt, remorse). As the tears quickly subsided, I said, “We are our own cancer.” I thought about calling my mother (she has a gift for dream interpretation,) but instead, tried to get the details of this dream into print ASAP.


Called Mum. A few things to notice:

– There were no children in the dream. ‘Paradise’ was without children. Hedonistic.
– The water-filled square may symbolize the womb. The ladder only had one aluminum rail as opposed to the usual two = umbilical cord.

2016 Presidential Election: When Voting Abstention Seems the Only Option

While surfing Facebook today, I ran across a revealing post on Hillary Clinton’s inconsistent position on the hot social topics of our time:

While I had no intention of voting for her, this video brought forward my dissatisfaction with the ALL the remaining presidential candidates into full Techni-color glory. Normally, I would vote Republican, but this year I was really considering abstaining. Neither business acumen nor political chameleon superpowers are enough to make up for the gross lack of character and integrity we’re presented with this year.

However, as I mentioned in my Facebook post on this topic, “the retort to that is, ‘Many have died to so we can have the freedom to vote as we want.’ Certainly abstaining is part of that freedom, but.. is it right? A quote against abstaining from the vote would be one commonly attributed to Einstein: ‘The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything.'”

Well, one of the folks who responded to that thread had probably one of the best suggestions I’ve heard. Her words: “At this point I feel my best option is to vote a write-in (namely : Ted Cruz)…still exercising my right to vote – and yet standing by my convictions. Maybe it won’t matter at this election – but who knows the influence it could have at the next if enough of us take a stand?”

I had forgotten about the write-in option. I think that will be it for me. In the meantime, may God have mercy on our country. Like Israel before us, we are being judged and are being left to our iniquity. Hang onto your seats, recommit to sharing the Gospel, and pray for forgiveness.

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Illuminati at Church Sunday School? Seriously?

Okay, so today I want to talk to you about something that blew up this week at children’s ministry. Every other week, I help my church out in the second grade classroom, so I’m dealing with seven and eight year olds. I’m just one of the adults there out of two or three volunteers. We end up with anywhere between twelve and twenty children. First we gather in large group, then there’s some relational time, and then there’s some teaching—that kind of stuff. Then, we come back to our own little classroom where we engage in an activity.

It’s been a good form of ministry. It’s nothing I sought out, really. I had made the prayer, “Lord, help me serve. Help me know how you would have me be of service.” Within sixteen hours, I had the church asking me to join the ministry. They sent out a note saying, “Hey. Your kids go to our Sunday school. How about the parents come and help out and join the children’s ministry?” So, that’s how I came to be a part of children’s ministry, and I do that every other week.

This last weekend, we had a little surprise. I was sitting down and playing chess with one of the children. One of the other boys runs up and says, “Hey, look what I made.” This is what they made.

When I saw that, I was kind of like, “What? Where did you see that?” He goes, “MLG.” I was like … I didn’t even catch it the first time. I looked up at the other closest adult, the gal (I had a couple serving with me as well…) I looked up at her, and she saw what I was seeing. She just kind of shook her head, as if to say she knows. I said, “Say that again?” He said, “MLG.” I didn’t know what MLG was. She didn’t know what MLG was. Her husband didn’t know what MLG was. Obviously, I had to go look it up later on. Well, what I did is I told the child, “You know what? That’s not a good symbol. You need to throw that away. That is not a good symbol.”

He did. He complied. He was like, “Oh. Okay. I didn’t know. It’s in the game.” Okay. I still don’t know what the game is. I may ask him about it. I wanted to talk with his parents, but the parents didn’t pick him up, his older sibling picked him up. In retrospect, I should have said, “You know, you’re not going to release him. We need the parents to come here.” There was so much commotion at the end of class, when the parents are checking their kids back out after service, I totally dropped it from my mind, totally blanked on it, forgot all about it. Boo to me. Still, I ended up, obviously, digging it out of the trash so that I could show you.

Yeah. Illuminati.

Can you say Illuminati?

Not good. I had a similar experience to that myself, growing up. I was about this age when we were watching some sort of TV show, it was on the weekend, so we weren’t at school. Hitler and the Nazis came on the screen. I don’t remember what the show was about, but I just remember seeing the impression of the Nazi regime, and they’re all doing their zig heils, and they’re in the backdrop, behind Hitler. There’s this massive Nazi flag with the bent cross. I remember thinking, “Wow. That’s so cool.” It made such an impact on me right then and there. (It’s funny, because I just shaved my head. No, it’s not connected at all.)

I went and I had this cork board—this bulletin board—in my room where I could put up little things. I don’t remember what any of that stuff was that was on it. Photos of family and that kind of stuff maybe? I drew on the cork of the cork board the bent cross. When she eventually found it, my mother obviously started having heart palpitations. She said, “Matthew, what is this?” I said, “Oh, it’s a cross. It’s a symbol that I saw on that show.” She goes, “Oh no, honey. No, no, no, no. That symbol reeks of evil.” She told me about the Nazis, and millions were killed as a result of people lining up behind that symbol.

nazi parade

That made a big impression on me. I was like, “Oh no. I don’t want that.” I carved the cork out of the cork board and threw it away, obviously. It was imprinted at that point. Nope. That symbol’s not so good, doesn’t have a good meaning. Might have had a different meaning back before the Nazis used it, but the Nazis turned that symbol. Yeah.

Finding the Illuminati Eye in a child’s hand this weekend was…

Parents, you need to have discernment. If you’re letting your children—even at the age of eight and ten and twelve—play first-person shooter games (because that’s primarily what I found at MLG; MajorLeagueGaming.com) this is not okay. Not okay. We’ve got mass murderers who can point to the violent first-person video games (say, Call of Duty,) to say this is what they use for practice. They practiced it over and over and over. This is how they trained for going out and having their shooting spree.

Not good. This is not good, gang. If you think, “Oh, it’s just a video game…”—it’s programming. It’s programming, just like your TV and your radio. It’s programming. Garbage in, garbage out. We try to keep first-person shooters out of our home, and still, they occasionally creep in and we have to get rid of them.

Not just first-person shooters. Violent shows—like Walking Dead for crying out loud (don’t get me started.)

Keep vigilant. You are called to discern what is proper media for your children.

That does not mean first-person shooters.

That does not mean violent TV shows.

Does not mean violent music.

Does not mean racy music. (Even though it has a good beat, it may not be what you want your kids growing up to, because it will have an effect on their behavior with you and with others. You may have some unsavory results come teen years.)

That’s it guys. Just use your discernment. Watch out for stuff that’s creeping into your media and your children’s media. Get it out. Get it out of your house. Get it gone. All right?


Comments deleted from YouTube???

Soon after this video was posted at YouTube, there was a thread that bubbled up there. It was quickly deleted. I’m not sure why, but I’ve opted to record what I have left of it as best I can. Conspiracy theories, anyone? Hmm….

Ovo borus (Wed 5/4, 10:52 AM)
I’m sorry no one trains on video games to go murder people in life. When actually it’s a proven fact the government has killed more people in the name of religion than any other thing period.

Levaire (Sat 5/7, time unknown)
+Ovo borus, wellll… it’s certainly leaning that way, right? Really, it’s pretty simple. Think “garbage in, garbage out.”

“Norway’s alleged mass killer testified on Thursday that he played video games as a way to train for a shooting spree that killed 77 people last summer. In particular, Anders Behring Breivik said at his trial that he played ‘Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2’ as a means of shooting practice, according to CNN’s report.”

Norway mass-shooting trial reopens debate on violent video games
https://www.cnn.com/2012/04/19/tech/gaming-gadgets/games-violence-norway-react/index.html

14 Mass Murders Linked to Violent Video Games
http://www.charismanews.com/culture/52651-14-mass-murders-linked-to-violent-video-games

School shooter followed video game-like ‘script’
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/7288381/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/school-shooter-followed-video-game-like-script/

Looking at Link Between Violent Video Games and Lack of Empathy
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/looking-at-link-between-violent-video-games-and-lack-of-empathy/

‘Training simulation:’ Mass killers often share obsession with violent video games
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/09/12/training-simulation-mass-killers-often-share-obsession-with-violent-video-games.html

Do violent video games play a role in shootings?
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/18/opinion/bushman-video-games/

Ovo borus (Sat 5/7, 01:22 PM)
+Levaire did Cain have video games to blame for his crimes?

[Lost rest of this response? This is the only thing that shows up in the email notification.]

Ovo borus (Sat 5/7 01:24 PM)
+Levaire so you found what, 6 things that back up a statement… that is enough to base a theory upon?

Could I not then apply the 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon method to anything and find the same correlations? In fact, give me any made up hypothesis and I’ll prove it with 7 sources in less than a week.

Just because you read it on the internet doesn’t make it real.

[To this, I had no real intention of responding. It became obvious this person was clinging to their gaming without being open to the fact that maybe the programming they’re plugging into isn’t in their best interest.]